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David Malone Endorses. Shahrar Ali for Leader of the Green Party of England and Wales for 2018 -2020.
"Thank you to all on my supporters but my focus presently is on my documentary film work and public education so I will not be standing. Able people like Shahrar , would see the Green Party Message delivered with inspiration and Authenticity and Shahrar has my Vote." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_England_and_Wales_leadership_election,_2018#cite_note-6
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David Malone has stood out for me as my favourite in the leader part of the leadership hustings. There was a great moment in the Manchester hustings when asked about diversity in the party and he spoke about judging people by their ideas, foremost. That's absolutely right - though one wants to ensure that everybody's views are at the table - and I found he helped open up debating space for me in the second part of the hustings for deputy candidates. When a diversity question was put, I then spoke about diversity of ideas.
He ended his comment with a wry remark, that maybe he's not best qualified to be talking about it for being, "white, male ....and stale." He was anything but stale and this got a great audience reaction.
I've read elsewhere, does he have what it takes though, whilst acknowledging his persuasiveness. That refrain gets things the wrong way. He clearly has what it takes because he *is* persuasive.
Check out his answer to a recent question put by the animals group of the party (I have taken liberty of introducing paragraph breaks since original formatting not clear and probably wasn't preserved):
David Malone candidate for Leader
"I accept that there is a link between meat and dairy and climate change, I am not, however, a vegetarian. I eat meat. Just not much of it. Many of our family meals are vegetarian but not all. For me it is not a matter of conscience the way it is for many vegetarians. I am happy with the GP encouraging people to eat less meat and dairy and making the point that diet has global climate consequences. I am not happy with calls for forcing people or corralling them with laws.
Some people feel very strongly that we should change what people eat. Others that we should change how people travel. I agree with both. But I think if we draw up a list of everything it would be good for people to change, and then set about telling people that we as a party want to change these things about 'their lives' and perhaps use the law to do so, then we will find that we are a party telling people they have to become just like us. You, we would say to every voter, do not live, eat, travel, work, pray, holiday or live at home in the 'correct' way and we as a party are going to make sure you change.
This would be wrong and I feel arrogant. Not holier than thou but greener than thou. It's not for me. Persuasion. Reasoned, respectful and open minded persuasion may be slow but it is what brings people with us rather than sets them against us. I feel we are approaching a true cultural crisis. One in which several hundred years of political progress is in danger of being given away. And if it is, our ability to tackle the problems of the global climate will be lost as well. These are, for me, the clear and present danger and therefore priority.
I have no wish to suggest that green concerns for animals, vegetarianism, veganism, concern for animal welfare, concern for the rate of extinctions, concern for the acidification of the seas or the destruction of the remaining forests and many others, are in any way not important or less important. Not at all. My goal, my reason for running, is to say there are very important concerns we have neglected and which should be added. I would also say given prominence, because without them being made clearly central to our objectives, we would not be able to run this country, were we elected, or actually do any of the things we have always known desperately need doing.
So my concern is to add not take away. Those are my thoughts. I hope I made some kind of sense. I am very happy to talk if it would help. I do not wish to denigrate anyone else's dearly held concerns. I am happy to stand with them to the degree my views allow. But I also do not wish to dissemble or pretend my priorities are other than they are."
We wish Caroline well in her continued Work as MP for Brighton Pavillion and thank her for her service as Joint Leader since 2016.
The 2016 Leadership campaign was noteable for its very low turn out, will 2018 see more Greens showing support for the Leadership election. Nominations and declarations will we imagine be forthcoming over the next few weeks.
We worked hard to secure a Balanced Wikipedia article on the 2016 Campaign, with recent Craig Murray Revelations on the Philip Cross Affair Davids supporters might be interested in the Talk Page for the Wikipedia Article on the 2016 Leadership Election. โhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_England_and_Wales_leadership_election,_2016 David, has not decided, as yet, if he will seek nominations in 2018. Let us know whether you would like him to? Mike Shaughnessy shared a link.
17 hrsSeven Years in the Green Party - What Now? It is a plain fact that any progressive government will be Labour led and it is now realistic to talk of such a government being elected on a radical agenda for change... Seven Years in the Green Party - What Now? Written by Dave Taylor Seven years ago the election of Caroline Lucas as a Green MP gave hope to thousands who had found t... LONDONGREENLEFT.BLOGSPOT.COM Like Comment Share 77 1 share 12 Comments Comments View 4 more comments Joe McMaster I think the Ideal situation would be a Labour/Green government. Like · Reply · 14 hrs Remove John Allaway Excellent article, thanks for posting it on here Mike. Like · Reply · 1 · 13 hrs Remove Roger Lewis Given the polarised state of UK Politics and the temporarily suspended bill for a second Scots Indy referendum, it is pretty obvious that some sort of PR will come about as a default setting to resolve the eternal spectre of hung parliaments and secondly to provide federated powers regionally to the Nations of the UK. Political Alliances are not needed to bring this about, it is a necessary consequence of the political reality of the last 7 years. On Federation, Gordon Brown made a speech in Kircaldy about it which I mention in this Blog. http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/.../a-fedear... With respect to Brexit, I have been arguing that a Grand Coalition Article 50 Government should be formed for the article 50 Notice period of negotiations I set it out in this Blog here. http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/.../a-grand... With respect to the current Voting System, I think what is important to realise is that the System we have is an overarching Oligarchy and a competing Elites model of representative democracy. Real Direct Democracy that most people think we have sees political Representatives as Constituency Delegates. This is a very important distinction as PR with a representative and not delegative structure with recall etc, means that Democracy is something that is handed down and not something which flows up from the subsidiaries of society. Subsidiarity is the core ethos of Direct Democracy. ´´( quotes from Roy Madron, Super Competent Democracies). ‘Democracy is that institutional arrangement for arriving at political decisions in which individuals acquire the power to decide by means of a competitive struggle for the people's vote’." Joseph Schumpeter, Quoted from Roy Madron, Super Competent Democracies who in turn Cites. "Participation, and Democratic Theory" by Carole Pateman. Dr. Pateman says that, Schumpeter and his followers: … set the current Anglo-American political system as our democratic ideal (with) a ‘democratic theory’ that in many respects bears a strange resemblance to the anti-democratic arguments of the last (i.e. 19th) century. No longer is democratic theory centered on the participation of ‘the people'; in the contemporary theory of democracy it is the participation of the minority elite that is crucial and the non-participation of the apathetic, ordinary man lacking in the feelings of political efficacy, that is regarded as the main bulwark against instability. ´´ http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/.../on-may.... Roy has published a series of Introductory articles on His Book, re-named super smart Democracies and you will find episode 1 at this link. https://medium.com/.../getting-the-hang-of-super-smart... A fedearated Pound Striling and a Federated Euro Subsidiartity and… LETTHEMCONFECTSWEETERLIES.BLOGSPOT.COM Like · Reply · Remove Preview · 3 hrs Edit Roger Lewis https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=ux5Q30YpMa4 David AMlone Livestream 7- 8 38.04 Chapter 7. The Green Party, Leadership, Election 2017 Campaign, Manifesto, Binary Discussion, Climate Mc Carthyism. 39.54 7.1 Policy EC661 Money Creati... YOUTUBE.COM Like · Reply · Remove Preview · 3 hrs Edit Roger Lewis http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/.../progress... Progressive Momentum Blog, Child of GolemXIV and a Sibling to this Blog David Malone: Ungarbled (I Hope) Pt.1 June 24, 2017… LETTHEMCONFECTSWEETERLIES.BLOGSPOT.COM Like · Reply · Remove Preview · 3 hrs Edit Roger Lewis https://www.thunderclap.it/.../58962-david-malone-a... David Malone Has already thrown his hat back in the Ring for the 2018 Leadership Election, Will the Green Party Survive another Year of the Lucas/Bratley Presidency? David Malone A Radical Green I just supported David Malone A Radical Green on @ThunderclapIt // @DavidHMalone THUNDERCLAP.IT Like · Reply · Remove Preview · 3 hrs Edit Roger Lewis http://davidmalonegreenpartycandidate.weebly.com/ Sorry for so many Posts, on this one thread, These questions have been exercising my mind and David Malone and I have been talking to a number of Green Party Folks about the dropping of Policy EC661, which Was disastrous to arguing for Anti-Austerity and Post Capitalist Policy implementation such as UBI. For Radical Politics in the 21st Century, a new paradigm is emerging which is not Anti-Capitalist and Left or Right But Post-Capitalist and Resource and Sustainability led. The retrograde step of the Presidential, Pound Shop Lib-Dem turn under the Bartley / Lucas Regime lacks Authenticity for me and was a definite wrong turn, That Caroline and Johnathan have not resigned speaks volumes as to the time serving and Professional Political Class ethos they have now embraced. David Malone, A future for Radical Green Politics David Malone Parliamentary Candidate for the Green… DAVIDMALONEGREENPARTYCANDIDATE.WEEBLY.COM Like · Reply · Remove Preview · 3 hrs Edit Richard Johnson A very worrying comment from Dave Taylor "Greens. Many activists, the very people who attend conference, have left to join Labour which leaves those who favour “returning to our green roots” – ie ditching our social justice policies - in a stronger position." I honestly cannot think of a more inept group of people in British politics than the right of the Green Party, they will definately consign the Green Party to the dustbin of history and they certainly wont provide any kind of relevant radical opposition to the Labour Party. If they gain the upper hand it would be better just write off the Green Party and start all over again. Like · Reply · 1 · 11 mins
Live Streamed Interview with David Malone. The author of the Debt Generation and Golem XIV Blog. Television Documentary Producer for the BBC and Channel 4 in the UK and Independently.
David is a Green Party Politician who ran for the Leadership of the Green Party of England and Wales in 2016 and will Also be contesting again for the Leadership in 2018. The Interview is wide Ranging and divided into 10 Chapters. Timings. 0.00 Introduction. 00.15 Chapter 1. Biography Question. 00.41Chapter 2. Education Grammar School, Move to USA, Private School, Swarthmore College, BioAnthropology. 04.59 Chapter 3. Leaving University, Teaching East Orange, Newark New Jersey, Alpine Tunnelling France, Researcher BBC Antenna. 10.50 Chapter 4. The Documentary Years 1995- now, Icon Earth, Sneaking Politics into Science, The Horizon at 30, The Far Side.
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20.31 Chapter 5. The Financial Crisis 2008, Lehmans Collapses, Comments BTL on the Guardian, The Debt Generation, Meet the Golem XIV Blog. 34.02 Chapter 6. The Golem XIV Community, MMT and Positive money, More on BLT Comments.
โ38.04 Chapter 7. The Green Party, Leadership, Election 2017 Campaign, Manifesto, Binary Discussion, Climate Mc Carthyism.
39.54 7.1 Policy EC661 Money Creation (Magic Money Tree) 41.18 7.2 Should the Snap 2017 Election have been a surprise to GPEX. 42.23 7.3 Bartley/Lucas Focus. Anti Brexit, Pro-Immigration, Anti-Racist, Identity Politics. 43.05 7.4 Labour and Corbyn, Austerity owned by Labour 2017, Banks, Solvency and the 2008 Crash. 48.13 7.5 Brexit and the 2015 Green Manifesto Promise. 54.36 7.6 Righteous Intolerance, Political Discourse, Burning the deniers, Binary Climate Mc Carthyism.
โ1.02.46 Chapter 8. Does the Pope wear a funny hat, That's enough about Climate What about the Environment? Can the Greens Count and do Economic Policy?
1.04.18 8.1. Fracking 1.07.43 Chapter 9. What is the Green Party For, Proportional Representation, Low turn out in its own Leadership Elections at Green Party? 1.22.56 Chapter 10, Proportional Representation and Fringe Views. UKIPยดs 66 seats under PR 2015 and is Nigel Farage a Racist, Tommy Robinson, The EDL and Dishonest Media manipulated legends. Geo-Politics Syria, Israel, Saudi, Qatar and All that.
Here is the Full Editied Broadcast .
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10 mins · The Guardian · Astonishing hypocrisy! Saudi and its affiliates demand end to support of terrorism while they themselves are some of its largest funders. The list of demands should be translated as 1) Curb ties with Iran = No talking to Shia Moslems. 2) Sever all ties to terror organisations = Declare Moslem Brotherhood terrorist who we find threatening internally and only Saudi should decide which terror organisations get funded. Not you 3) Shut down al-Jazeera = We don't allow press freedom you can't have it either. Especially one that criticises us. Shut down what is, for all its significant faults, one of the best media outlets in the world. 4) Shut down all other media Qatar funds. = Only Saudi propaganda allowed. al-Jazeera was far too willing to report government repression during the Arab Spring. So close down all non Saudi controlled media. 5) Close down Turkish military bases in Qatar. = Qatar isn't allowed its own diplomatic sovereignty. 6) Stop funding anyone Saudi calls a terrorist = Stop funding anyone who opposes Saudi or other undemocratic regimes in the ME. No democratic dissent allowed.7) Handover terrorist figure = Hand over to us all dissidents we want to imprison or behead. 8) Stop interfering in other countries affairs. = Hand over people we don't like that have taken refuge in Qatar. We do the interfering (see this list of demands) not you. 9 -12) Make yourself a vassal state of Saudi, pay us money, let us control your treasury and foreign policy and agree to all this NOW. Or else. Saudi, its minions, the US and Israel will try to paint you as part of a new axis of evil. Oh and by the way oil rules! Not the gas you and Iran want to sell!
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June 20 at 12:33am · Greens “standing down”: the effect on the Tory total in Parliament Labour made 28 gains and Lib. Dems 5 from Tories on election day in England and Wales (they also had a few losses). In these 33 gains from Tories , Greens fielded candidates in twenty-two constituencies. We stood aside in eleven. It appears that in only one seat : Oxford and Abingdon was the absence of a Green candidate extremely likely to have been decisive for a Tory loss. (There in 2015 the Green vote t... See More LikeShow more reactions Comment Share 2121 2 shares Comments Keith Bradbury ? LikeShow more reactions · Reply · June 20 at 2:10am Rusty Kevin Victor PR is the only answer to this .....You have one right wing party and 3 to the left. It's not a win win.... LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 3 · June 20 at 2:31am Markus Petz But what about the Green vote? Where Greens did not stand aside how did it do? Was it the same? Up or down? Then we can see if a more strategic targeting of where we do stand makes sense. Money and campaign activists more concentrated may be better for a strong green voice. It can also make the argument to others for some kind of deals. LikeShow more reactions · Reply · June 20 at 6:55am Douglas Rouxel There is the other side of this - people want to see Green campaigns where they are, and want to support a Green candidate in their area - they don't always want to travel a hundred miles to support their nearest candidate - there is more to elections than the cold hard win/lose - they are opportunities to nurture new activists and bring people on a step from where they are, to a more active involvement in the party. LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 7 · June 20 at 8:52am Rachel Hardy Totally agree Doug, but thats not how elections are portrayed. Or understood. Canvassing you get, still, 'I'd vote for you if you could win' 'labour ard huge here so voting Green is a wasted vote' Add that tl people not understanding the electoral, system. 'Jeremy needs every vote' and there are more...Green Party could do with addressing lack of understanding. And that includes Greens who voted LP in safe seats. Oh and all those tactical voting sites telling people who to vote for to be rid of Tories. Did any say 'Green' ? Like · Reply · 1 · June 20 at 9:21am Keith Clements Rachel Hardy I believe that you "hit the nail on the head" with your comment about "a lack of understanding" by the electorate, of what the Green Party is all about... It has always been my contention that this can't be changed by local parties spendin...See More Like · Reply · 1 · June 20 at 10:38am Markus Petz The Greens have to do active things to be taken seriously. If there are Green litter picks, stalls with action connected etc. then people say well the do do xyz. If all people experience is a sad stall and someone asking for their vote come election time with a vague promise if they win a Green government would do something they will not consider Green votes a useful one. Like · Reply · 1 · June 20 at 11:01am Bernard Little Kath. The majority of people do not understand the electoral system. I spent more time talking to people about why "got to keep the Tories out" in a strong Labour seat where greens were second, did not make sense. Most don't seem to understand the difference between left and right let alone majority government. Local elections...never had a conversation yet with a member of the public who understands what is going on in their Council. I work on the wards in a hospital where a great many people have degrees. Like · Reply · 1 · June 20 at 7:55pm Keith Clements Markus Petz Your comment exactly describes why the AVERAGE Green Party stall has little effect! Like · Reply · June 20 at 8:27pm Write a reply... Rowan Van Tromp If Greens had stood aside in Norwich North and all Green voters had voted labour then the Tories would've lost. This defeat of labour was also compounded by poor campaign management in the city where Clive Lewis returned a massively increased majority. LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 1 · June 20 at 7:37am · Edited Karen Varga Ⓥ If, if, if. There are no certainties in a secret ballot. There are no 'reliable' votes. The Green Party has quite a proportion of Blue/Green voters - who used their votes to make sure the 'terrible Trot' didn't take the country back to the 1970s! People give the electorate too much credit - just because we know policy and party intentions we think the broad masses do - they don't! We have one of the least engaged electorates in the World! They may as well just throw darts at a board. PR might make it better, as may compulsory voting. State funding of the media and political parties might even up the playing field. But you know what - none of it is going to happen coz this system suits the Tories and Labour too much. I just do what I do as a protest in the knowledge nothing is really going to change and the planet is totally fucked - but I'm going down screaming. LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 3 · June 20 at 7:59am Rusty Kevin Victor Protest votes mean nothing, fighting for proper democracy that might change things is better...PR recognises the equal weight of each vote. It is one man one vote. FPTP is BS. The only representatives we need on the ground in each constituency is a local representative. We have just learnt to accept this archaic Westminster system that has passed its sell by date. Equally the house of lords should be democratically elected.... LikeShow more reactions · Reply · Yesterday at 3:42am Write a reply... Rachel F Bee How many green MPs before and how many after? LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 1 · June 20 at 8:34am Craig Simmons I am no fan of standing down, but your list is incomplete. By standing down, the Greens had a far greater impact that you suggest. For example, Brighton Kemptown. LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 4 · June 20 at 9:22am Jimmy Sayle What about seats that the Tories held, but only just, and that might have gone Labour had there been no Green candidate? Rowan has already mentioned Norwich North (which I agree is not a straightforward case because of Labour's targeting error). I don't know how many other cases like this there were, I'm just saying they need to be taken into account before you can draw conclusions. We Greens are the first to complain when others use statistics selectively. LikeShow more reactions · Reply · June 20 at 9:52am Kat Boettge Derby North was definitely one Labour won because we stood aside. LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 1 · June 20 at 9:56am Mike Shone Hi Kat, the Green vote in Derby North in 2015 was 1,618 and the Labour majority in 2017 was 2,015 so even if all 1,618 had continued to vote Green in 2017 the Labour candidate would still have had a majority approaching 400. In practice ,of course, voting for Greens in constituencies where we stood was generally around half or a little less so than in 2015. LikeShow more reactions · Reply · June 20 at 12:17pm Kat Boettge Mike Chris Williamson lost narrowly in 2015. Greens even went out campaigning for him in 2017. He fully accepted that our votes helped him to win. He even thanked us publicly. Like · Reply · 1 · June 20 at 12:19pm Mike Shone I think it is a case of helping to increase the Labour majority but not of being decisive in Labour winning. Like · Reply · June 20 at 12:22pm Mike Shone I should add that as things stood at the announcement of the General Election that standing aside in Derby North was a very reasonable tactical decision/gamble , the Labour surge during the campaign could not have been predicted. Like · Reply · June 20 at 12:43pm Write a reply... Adam Ramsay I'm not sure how we can know this. In the famous previous example of Greens stepping down and endorsing a candidate - Cynog Dafys in 1992 - he went from fourth place to first. You can't simply describe an effect by adding together the votes for two parties. You have to look at the dynamic it creates, the sense of direction it encourages, etc. I have no idea whether withdrawing in various seats had any significant effect on them. But I don't think that the way to find out is simply by comparing vote numbers between 2015 and 2017. LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 6 · June 20 at 10:28am Markus Petz I think you do have some idea :) . But your point remains withdrawal or even candidature should be done on a strategic basis. LikeShow more reactions · Reply · June 20 at 11:04am Write a reply... Richard Johnson The Green Party has far too much of a dependency on electoral politics in a broken first past the post system that always reduces the choices down to two binary opposites leaving the Green Party squeezed out of existence between the Conservatives and Labour. The Green Party simply must add greater breadth to its work in order to escape this political vice so that come election times its already established a high profile. LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 3 · June 20 at 11:18am Keith Clements See my previous comment. LikeShow more reactions · Reply · June 20 at 8:31pm Write a reply... Luca Dray You've missed Kemptown in Brighton. Greens standing down there had a huge effect LikeShow more reactions · Reply · June 20 at 12:18pm Mike Shone Mike Shone Only on the size of the Labour majority not on Labour winning LikeShow more reactions · Reply · June 20 at 12:48pm Luca Dray it was a tory seat?? which labour wouldn't have potentially gained if the greens hadn't stood aside in Kemptown, and all the greens voted for labour, as the vote would have been split and the tories would have sailed thro the middle. It is accepted that this is the case in Brighton Like · Reply · June 20 at 1:14pm Mike Shone It was a Tory seat with a majority of 690 in 2015. The Green vote in 2015 was 3,187 so it was quite reasonable to suppose that it would have been a Labour seat in 2015 if Greens had not stood. However the Labour majority in 2017 is 9,868 which is far in excess of the 3,187 Green vote of 2015 , if we were to take that as the maximum though unlikely Green vote in 2017 ("unlikely" due to the great prevalence of tactical voting). 9,868 minus 3,187 would still give a Labour majority for 2017 of well over 6,000. In other words the surge towards Labour was more than enough to take the Brighton Kemptown seat from the Tories without the Green Party standing down. Like · Reply · 1 · June 20 at 3:46pm · Edited Luca Dray But what you seem to be missing is that although labour has improved from the Blair days, it's still not where it should be, and many people are now turning to the gp. Labour won KT due to tactical voting. I know of many that wouldn't have voted labour by choice, but did so to get the tories out Like · Reply · 1 · June 20 at 4:55pm Write a reply... Steev Burgess Widening the breadth of Green party politics should have been done when the Labour party was in the hands of Blairites. The present Labour party is pretty good in the eyes of many people who have in the past often voted Green (Myself included). Doing it now would only split the vote further and let the Tories and LibDems in. I think as well a campaigning for radical ideas like Universal basic income you should pursue pure Green policies, at least you will bring them too the attention of the other parties and some of them may be enacted by them. It shifts the whole of politics to a more green position. Obviously a better form of dividing up the seats in the HOC would be welcome too, and you might find after the next clutch of boundary changes more people will agree with you (us). LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 2 · June 20 at 12:51pm · Edited Ruthi Brandt Universal basic income is a pure Green policy, even if it's not necessarily an obvious green one :) In other words, the Green Party is not just about adding environmental policies to the existing system, it is about changing the whole way we structure our society. UBI is a good step in that direction. LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 3 · June 20 at 5:04pm · Edited Richard Johnson I disagree the Green Party has a massive role as a credible Left of Labour positive opposition, does anyone think that the revolutionary Left can fulfill that role? And also when the fault lines in Labour bring a Labour government crashing to its knees that's when the Green Party can grow again but the Green Party must be willing to break the undemocratic power of the elites and that does not mean victimizing them. The only problem is that the Green Party does not do class politics and is blissfully unaware of its own class bias. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having a largely graduate professional membership but more awareness is needed of the Green Party's specific social perspective. Like · Reply · 2 · June 20 at 5:23pm · Edited Mike Shone Richard Johnson The Green Party at its best is multi-dimensional. So I don't think it is wise just to emphasise our role as being Left of Labour. It is true we give a better understanding of the shift of wealth from ordinary people to the already wealthy and capitalism and that we provide policies accordingly to address that. Labour is too timid and unaware to do this. But we are essentially a Party of sustainability not growth. And we care about biodiversity and we have a more realistic and optimistic outlook on a better quality of human life as reflected in the UBI and the recent advocacy of a four-day working week. However I do think there is more than a little something in your critique of the present Green Party having some blissful unawareness of its class biases. Like · Reply · 4 · June 21 at 9:47pm · Edited Maggie Jeffery Mike Shone Thanks Mike. Certainly perpetual growth is not sustainable! I do have problems with what I call 'top down' politics which I see as disempowering the individual. My main interest in the Green Party is localism and I'm very wedded to the Transition Town Movement. How do individuals own their own power? How can our planet survive with all the psychological projection and defence - not to mention the inequality that ultimately triggers war? My feeling is that there has to be deep change and I don't see the party as being similar to any of the three main parties. Like · Reply · 2 · June 20 at 9:32pm Write a reply... Tom Harris Whatever the ins and outs, it very much sounds like Labour did extremely well out of the deal, but I've yet to hear of any benefit to the Green Party. Is anyone aware of any? LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 3 · June 20 at 3:53pm Jimmy Sayle Yes. The Tory party, which is pretty much the antithesis of Green politics, no longer has a parliamentary majority. I'm not saying that we (the Greens) can claim much credit for that outcome. I'm only saying that fact is more important than our tribal concerns. LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 3 · June 20 at 3:59pm Keith Kennaugh How many deposits did they save that they might've lost by standing? LikeShow more reactions · Reply · June 20 at 8:27pm Write a reply... Ian Woodall Mike. I'm on the other side now comrade. Keep it up. We need you! LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 1 · June 20 at 6:06pm Chris Jones I think the headline avoids an unpalatable truth. That is, in a FPTP system to evict a bloody awful, but still relatively popular, tory government we need a lot more standing down in a lot more constituencies. Never mind greens standing down, we need labour to stand down for greens, labour to stand down for lib dems, etc etc. So, who can actually get the other main parties to wake up, adopt a policy of enacting PR at next election. LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 4 · June 20 at 7:33pm Chris Jones there is an and: and take this country away from the less than 50% who actually keep the tories propped up in power. LikeShow more reactions · Reply · June 20 at 7:45pm Write a reply... Ian Woodall 1. Where? 2. Why? LikeShow more reactions · Reply · June 20 at 7:42pm Ian Flindall Not sure you are asking the right question in the right place. "Standing aside" in St Ives seemed like a useful tactic when the Labour Party was a basket case at the beginning of the election and when it was apparently unnecessary to overtly endorse or support another candidate. After all that would have been one step too far for many members. The Lib Dem candidate would benefit enough to win it, was thought, leaving members free to campaign or vote as their conscience preciously dictated. The ludicrous outcome was that some members campaigned for LD, most did not campaign at all and yet others were determined to vote labour! The stand aside tactic was then confounded by the significant, but unsuccessful, swing to Labour with their increase in their vote share outweighing the LDs shortfall of 300 or so. So the question is; how many seats where the Greens stood aside were lost to the Tories because the Labour Party intervened unsuccessfully? The lesson for me is - don't stand aside unless you are going to do so wholeheartedly as a local party and work overtly to bring about the desired result - and that, in my book, requires reciprocity. LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 3 · June 20 at 11:54pm Mike Shone Thanks Ian . This is a very useful account and I agree with your points though I think there a number of "right" questions which include both yours and mine. As you probably know Labour is predominantly tribal and wont do pre-election deals and does not care about what you refer to as "intervening unsuccessfully". "Reciprocity" is essential but it is not what Labour does. LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 1 · June 21 at 1:34am Ruthi Brandt Interesting point about the enthusiasm and involvement of the local members. The successful case of Oxford West and Abingdon also supports this, where the members were mainly enthusiastic about it, both because the Tory MP who restood was not liked, to put it mildly, and because they had the opportunity to question the LibDem candidate and approve her. There was a genuine sense of a shared campaign, rather than just the Greens quietly disappearing from the scene. There were also a couple of gestures from the LibDems for the recent local elections and talks about agreements in future local elections, so Green members saw that we were getting something tangible out of it. More info here - http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/.../green-party-election...? The Greens Didn't Only Win In Brighton, They Also Share A Victory… HUFFINGTONPOST.CO.UK LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 2 · June 21 at 7:56am View more replies Write a reply... Jonathan Elmer I think you missed Bishop Auckland where green standing down most deffinately averted a tory victory and enable Labour to win by a small margin. LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 1 · June 21 at 2:23pm Mike Shone Thanks for that correction Jonathan. Bishop Auckland needs to be added to vulnerable Labour seats saved by standing down since the Green vote there in 2015 was 1,545 and the Labour majority in 2017 was 502 . A Green standing would have been virtually certain to have wiped out any Labour majority and enabled a Tory win. I will make the appropriate amendment to my postings. LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 1 · June 21 at 3:12pm Constantine Buhayer Bishop Auckland has been Labour since... 1918. But suddenly Greens standing down ensured L's victory? Shout it loud and wait for the response, mate. LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 14 hrs Remove Write a reply... Mike Shone In addition ,the absence of a Green in Tim Farron's seat saved him from being defeated by a Tory so I have amended my original post accordingly. LikeShow more reactions · Reply · Yesterday at 1:43am Constantine Buhayer What's the evidence? The Green vote collapsed, it would have collapsed in Westmorland and Lonsdale. Also, there is no a shred of evidence that the Green voters would have gone for Farron, or even voted. We are clueless about it. So your initial posting is a closer reflection of the real situation. LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 14 hrs Remove Write a reply... Rusty Kevin Victor Sorry but let me correct that comment. Blue voters do not vote Green. Red and Libdems might but for a Tory to vote Green would be like a cat asking for a bath. LikeShow more reactions · Reply · Yesterday at 3:34am Rachel Hardy They do in some places. We got Tories saying they would vote Green. Out of hate for other parties but they will! LikeShow more reactions · Reply · Yesterday at 10:05am Richard Jenking People who vote Green locally do vote Blue nationally or to put it another way people who vote Blue nationally do vote Green locally. Our task is to get them to also vote Green nationally. Like · Reply · 1 · Yesterday at 12:00pm Catherine von Ruhland When I stood in the Richmond upon Thames council elections as a Green, I had 3rd votes from voters of *all* parties, including UKIP! This is why the Greens should be very careful when positioning themselves as solely leftwing. Green thinking is so much broader than that. Like · Reply · 3 · 23 hrs Write a reply... Roger Lewis https://www.reverbnation.com/malone4leader Malone4Leader | Punk from Scarborough, ERY, UK Punk | Scarborough, ERY, UK REVERBNATION.COM LikeShow more reactions · Reply · Remove Preview · 15 hrs Roger Lewis https://www.reverbnation.com/artist/video/15195387 Malone4Leader Videos | ReverbNation Videos by Malone4Leader, Punk music from Scarborough, ERY, UK on ReverbNation REVERBNATION.COM LikeShow more reactions · Reply · Remove Preview · 15 hrs Constantine Buhayer Greens standing down was a worthy initiative but handled in the shittiest possible manner and damaged personally some Green members and the party. It was handled by the 'magic circle' of Greens who hold the power and it benefited them. Now they are spinning the results to keep for themselves the benefits a party brings and to keep them in their position. LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 14 hrs Remove Roger Lewis We noticed that there is a long tradition of runners up never standing again and David always saw the Leadership road as a several stage process as he was unknown in the party as of last year's election and did not expect to win first time as of course Johnathan And Caroline had started the Process before the election was announced and that Natalie was standing down. With Incumbents advantage being what it is David will be using this next year to reach as many Local PArtiues as he can with Film Screenings and live online interviews, We piloted the first one Last night. http://davidmalonegreenpartycandidate.weebly.com/ David always has a lot of speaking engagements up and down the country and also has a busy Schedule chairing discussions at various science festivals and Book fayres, I will be endeavouring to double task David on these trips with doing some Speaking engagements at local parties and will endeavour to get an online Google appointments diary online so those local parties interested in areas in which David is an Acknowledged Expert speaker and give his presentations which we will also stream live. Davids TTIP Talk has over 60,000 YouTube views on this one channel alone. https://www.reverbnation.com/artist/video/14636856 David has reached out to GPEX but for whatever reason, it has not been seen fit to harness Davids considerable skills and qualities on Finance and Economics and also science education. I think that has been something of a waste and As Davids Political Agent ( That's a self-described title) which is purely Voluntary. Anyway, I hope people and party members and local party Chairs will welcome Davids Initiative to get to know the 30% who did vote and to Engage with the 70% who did not in the 2016 Leadership election. Constantine, I feel your Frustration Those of us that can find our way North of Watford share the feeling. Like · Reply · 14 hrs · Edited Edit Constantine Buhayer Thanks, plenty of food for thought. Like · Reply · 1 · 14 hrs Remove Write a reply... Constantine Buhayer Over the last year, well before the elections, the GP saw its vote drop in 95% of the by-elections - by my calculations from looking at the result in Britain Elects. LikeShow more reactions · Reply · 14 hrs I am preparing my notes for a Full Interview with David Malone of the Golem XIV Blog Next Week.
David and I are friends and in many ways fellow political Travellers, we do Disagree about the CO2 APGW Hypothesis on which I am Agnostic at Best, enough to be burnt at the stake by true believers for sure. I will after talking with David decide whether we might Stream the interview Live with Commenting in real time and questions. On this deciision I would be interested in some feed back as to how many of our potential audience have sufficient band width perhaps even to participate over Skype with real time Questions. Anyway, a lot of Ground to cover to be properly prepared to interview , even though he is a freind, someone whom I consider to be a Great Man and a Mentor and Sensai for the intellectual journey I am on. http://www.golemxiv.co.uk/ http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/06/the-green-party-response-to-trumps.html http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/06/the-magic-money-tree-liitle-knowledge.html http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/06/the-curious-case-of-policy-ec661-greens.html Please add questions you would like to add in the Comments. |
David MaloneGreen Party Politiican, Film Maker and Financial reform Activist |